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Shiishii Momo · Jul 15, 2008, 07:49 PM // 19:49

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Originally Posted by funkytoejams

both are good, in pvp its warrior all the way, a good conjure eviscerate or shock axe warrior can apply serious pressure, (most top 10 guilds run hammer/axe warriors on frontline, ive seen dervs and sins too but they are rare) and i think a axe warrior with IAS is still the highest sustainable dps in the game? not to mention KD, which can interupt, dissable and snare all in one, then theres adrenalin and the highest base armor...,i love my conjure wounding strike derv right now too dont get me wrong, but they are seeing nerfs now like the recent chilling victory nerf and imho they might nerf wounding strike (a deep wound with bleed cover every 3 secs, when you add free ims and long ias, is a little imba imho when you stack conjure, strength n honour, judges insight, sundering weapon, etc, on top of the deep wound, esp if you throw a crit or two in there, dmg is unreal).

for pve i would take a warrior, i actually have only 1 pve character and its a warrior, mostly bcuz i can also farm good $ on her in uw with solo smites+chaos plains or solo fow beach +cave, and it can be fun running gimmick builds in pve sometimes like iway, and they are so versatile as far as builds and soo much fun to play, and if you decide to make an armor set for pvp, you can pvp on your warrior too and its much easier to get in a grp than the derv.

Win.

Please remember this is a discussion forum, thanks, FunkyToeJams for contributing, you make a lot of sense.

Don Doggy · Jul 15, 2008, 08:12 PM // 20:12

For PvE Dervish is probably more effective. I have played both in PvE and find them two of the most enjoyable professions to play but I do prefer playing warrior.

Shuuda · Jul 15, 2008, 08:28 PM // 20:28

Four skills:

- Bull's Strike.
- Rush.
- Frenzy.
- Eviscerate.

This topic is over. We have a clear winner.

Snow Bunny · Jul 15, 2008, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

Four skills:

- Bull's Strike.
- Rush.
- Frenzy.
- Eviscerate.

This topic is over. We have a clear winner.

Good sir, I will counter that with:

- Chilling Victory
- Signet of Mystic Speed
- Heart of Fury
- Wounding Strike

All attacks AoE.

This topic is not over. We do not have a clear winner.

MisterT69 · Jul 15, 2008, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Good sir, I will counter that with:

- Chilling Victory
- Signet of Mystic Speed
- Heart of Fury
- Wounding Strike

All attacks AoE.

This topic is not over. We do not have a clear winner.

Well, let's up the ante then...[eternal aura][aura of holy might], all the avatars...[vow of strength]+[heart of holy flame]<--non undead survives that especially with holy might. So yeah...I think we now have a winner in the DPS department

Cathode_Reborn · Jul 15, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Stupid PvE mechanics weaken dervs abit.

Higher lvl mobs decrease your chance of gettin crit hits. Not sure by how much percent, but it does. Since Dervs don't really have much armor-ignoring damage coming from attack skills, this can become a prob in areas where stuff has unusually high armor - don't be surprised when you're hitting as low as 30 against some enemies. Still though, they can often hit for 100+ with Aura of Holy Might.

As for DPS, Derv actually doesn't always win there. War/Derv damage will change alot depending on a mob's armor level. Scythe range is Adjacent, which is really small. There'll be tons of situations where you're not hitting multiple enemies. I've played both

War has 2 less energy pips, but also doesn't need energy. Unlike Sins, who also use energy alot, Derv e-mangement isn't that great. The best e-mangement actually comes from the rest of your team.....monks casting enchantments on you, or someone spamming Orders definitely helps alot.

For HM, I prefer a warrior mainly cause the "SY" spam and KD-lock from Brawling Headbutt. Both are really good though.

Innocent · Jul 15, 2008, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by Elder III

Warrior is simpler to play (in most cases) and hard to totally fail at - just keep mending off your bar, ok?

If you don't mind stopping before battles to cast a few enchants than Dervish is sweet too. :d

Imo they both lots of fun and in PVE there equally valid.

And dervish is hard to fail at how? [Wounding Strike] there's your bar. You don't really need anything else. Maybe [Chilling Victory]. 1-2 1-2 until things die. You don't really need to pick targets, you hit 3 of them at once. tab-space crit damage is off the wall. Dervish is frontline for dummies.

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FlamingMetroid · Jul 15, 2008, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by MisterT69

Well, let's up the ante then...[eternal aura][aura of holy might], all the avatars...[vow of strength]+[heart of holy flame]<--non undead survives that especially with holy might. So yeah...I think we now have a winner in the DPS department

[moebius strike][death blossom][critical agility]ups
never stop believing

Snow Bunny · Jul 15, 2008, 08:49 PM // 20:49

I suppose that it matters what the OP wants in his main character.

War:
More survivable, greater weapon selection, more utility.
The warrior can go AoE with triple chop, Dslash spam with SY!, or annihilate shit with Earthshaker. The warrior is also a slightly more pug-friendly choice.

Derv:
Very high damage, aoe damage (albeit small aoe), more party roles.
The dervish will be able to suit up for a variety of changing conditions. Hexes? Go Avatar of Dwayna. Condition Stacks? Avatar of Melandru. Want Deep Wound on command? Wounding Strike. Dervishes are frequently (at least in my guild) required for our FoW runs - finding them can be hard if the right people aren't on, so those players always get in group, etc.

And finally, as petty as this sounds, you must consider aesthetic choice for armor.

It's all about playstyle.

Shuuda · Jul 15, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Good sir, I will counter that with:

- Chilling Victory
- Signet of Mystic Speed
- Heart of Fury
- Wounding Strike

All attacks AoE.

Perhaps, but Warriors are more versatile. What do Dervs have beyond a few Avatars (most of which are crap), and a spike build (which is long overdue for a nerf). The answer, nothing (well, nothing worth using.)

Warriors have:

- Three weapons, all of which have atleast one good bar or more in both PvE and PvP.
- SY + Dragonslash in PvE.
- Eviscerate and Magehunter in PvP.
- Lots of options for utility skills (Shock, rend touch, Power Spike etc)
- More natural defence.
- No reliance of enchantments that need to be put up every 30 seconds.
- Better options of IAS and top notch running stances.
- Bull Strike.

And for armour, warriors are better in my opinion:

- Man in suit of armour > Man in a dress.
- Though females dervs do look nice, female warriors have more options.

Arkantos · Jul 15, 2008, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

Four skills:

- Bull's Strike.
- Rush.
- Frenzy.
- Eviscerate.

This topic is over. We have a clear winner.

OP is talking about PvE. In PvE, 3/4 of those skills aren't that great. I'll let you figure out which ones they are.

This topic isn't over, as you really aren't proving anything for PvE.

MisterT69 · Jul 15, 2008, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

[moebius strike][death blossom][critical agility]ups
never stop believing

Thought this was war vs. derv...not da ub3r pwnz0r sin :P

Magikarp · Jul 15, 2008, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Good sir, I will counter that with:

- Chilling Victory
- Signet of Mystic Speed
- Heart of Fury
- Wounding Strike

All attacks AoE.

This topic is not over. We do not have a clear winner.

WS is getting nerfed hard soon, so you might as well count it out. HoF sucks without Aura, cause it's getting ripped in most HM if you frontline, and CV isn't doing a lot vs lvl 28 monsters.

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Originally Posted by Shiishii Momo

Win.

Please remember this is a discussion forum, thanks, FunkyToeJams for contributing, you make a lot of sense.

you posted nothing but inccorect rambles for your cons on warriors, such as "energy management" and "lack of diversity", while one, warriors barely need ANY energy (what game do you play???), and two, warriors, next to necros and rangers, are the most diverse class in the ENTIRE GAME.

dervs are a one trick pony minus orders and a few sub-par farming builds. they stand still, cast only for themselves, offer little to no utility (minus orders), and dish out dps (the only thing they do well.. and warriors still do it better because they offer 80%+ damage reduction).

this argument is retarded. the op clearly likes dervs more, so why not just play them? no one really cares what YOU do, and tbh, this is a flame bait-ridden thread to begin with.

sindex · Jul 15, 2008, 09:05 PM // 21:05

I still feel that all the original five core classes (minus the mesmer) shown in prophecies are a cliché to a point where I play them less then any other profession. Unfortunately, the Warrior is right up there for being remarkably dull and boring at the same time. How many times have people played this class in other RPG’s and not felt the repetitive “hack and slash,” gameplay (without a good combat system) that goes along with it?

Yes, there is some problem with the new professions that probably will be rounded out when GW 2 comes rolling around. However, I do not want to be dealing with “village idiot,” common design fantasy RPG knowledge philosophy, to being about what should be the mainstay classes in GW 2 for long. I like something unique and fresh instead of the same and conventional. Nevertheless, that’s my opinion on the subject matter, but I know a good amount of conservative RPG players would beg to differ. It’s a matter of taste.

Damian979 · Jul 15, 2008, 09:16 PM // 21:16

It's all in preference and play style, a derv is going to do more damage but is also going to die quicker if you aren't careful. A warrior is going to do less damage per strike but will have more consistent damage at a faster attack rate and be able to take a whole lot more punishment.

I have played both classes extensively and still have to prefer the assassin for melee as they put out insane damage, insanly fast, and taking damage is practically a mute point because you won't hardly be getting hit if you play one right

shoyon456 · Jul 15, 2008, 09:20 PM // 21:20

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Originally Posted by Magikarp

you posted nothing but inccorect rambles for your cons on warriors, such as "energy management" and "lack of diversity", while one, warriors barely need ANY energy (what game do you play???), and two, warriors, next to necros and rangers, are the most diverse class in the ENTIRE GAME.

dervs are a one trick pony minus orders and a few sub-par farming builds. they stand still, cast only for themselves, offer little to no utility (minus orders), and dish out dps (the only thing they do well.. and warriors still do it better because they offer 80%+ damage reduction).

this is a flame bait-ridden thread to begin with.

And ironically you are a big contribution to that flaming.

Warriors do have more diversity, but if a class doesn't have more diversity when having THREE weps tied to it doesnt scream diversity, i dont know what does.

Derv's sacrifice some of this diversity because as stated, they are not a core class and anet has not cared to elaborate on the newer classes as much as i would like. However, they in turn receive the highest max dmg weapon in game, have a primary that provides excellent energy. And have built in buffs for many specific counters.

funkytoejams · Jul 15, 2008, 09:48 PM // 21:48

you cant really compare the dps of warriors and ders by using ATTACK SKILLS, it rly wouldnt be fair to dervs, a warrior can SUSTAIN his attacks (adrenalin) AND ias (FLAIL+rush for break stance, i use frenzy but you get the point), and a warrior gets extra dmg on attacks bcuz of the extra armor penetration from strength, but a dervs dmg will drop by a huge amount once they are out of energy or if enchants are stripped, and lets not forget the attack speed/rate on an axe is much faster than on a scythe, the math has been done many times on this and axe warrior has the highest sustainable dps in the game. if i take a derv and a axe warrior and wail away on master of dmg, the longer we keep at it the bigger the gap between warrior and derv will be because you can not keep up that lvl of dps, what happens in a fight when your target soaks up all ur big dmg with big prots from monk and then ur out of energy? wont happen on my warrior, ill put sustained pressure on my target and when prots are done i can spike with the adrenalin i have built up.

funkytoejams · Jul 15, 2008, 10:06 PM // 22:06

magikarp when you say ramblings, are you talking about me? the quote makes it hard to tell who its dirrected at, he said thanks for your contribution and then you start flaming, if your talking about me... ur reading the wrong post... never said any of that...

lyra_song · Jul 15, 2008, 11:40 PM // 23:40

D/W .-. mix and match?

Magikarp · Jul 15, 2008, 11:41 PM // 23:41

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Originally Posted by funkytoejams

magikarp when you say ramblings, are you talking about me? the quote makes it hard to tell who its dirrected at, he said thanks for your contribution and then you start flaming, if your talking about me... ur reading the wrong post... never said any of that...

his post was edited, so when i quoted him, it took it away. long story short, he was quoting me, calling me a failure because i said he was incorrect about how versatile a warrior is. had nothing to do with you, so i apologize.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoyon456

And ironically you are a big contribution to that flaming.

Warriors do have more diversity, but if a class doesn't have more diversity when having THREE weps tied to it doesnt scream diversity, i dont know what does.

Derv's sacrifice some of this diversity because as stated, they are not a core class and anet has not cared to elaborate on the newer classes as much as i would like. However, they in turn receive the highest max dmg weapon in game, have a primary that provides excellent energy. And have built in buffs for many specific counters.

i said it was flame-bait, not that i wasn't contributing by posting lol.

as for the remainder of your post:

you just answered that question lol. you say "oh, well of course warriors are more diverse, they have three weapons", along with some of the other post saying "warriors get 4 campaigns of attacks" etc.. well.. thats still showing that warriors>dervs in the skillpool and general diversity.

throw in the fact that we farm better, offer infinite team-based utility, and on top of it all, dish out the most damage in pvp (and a lot of the time pve, not excluding AoE), and you have the exact reason why warrior is still one of the most important classes in the game next to monk.